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Cheriour ([personal profile] clockeyes) wrote in [community profile] asgardeventide2012-10-23 12:22 am

eleventh minute

Justice.

[It's a strange sight, really- there's Cheriour, clock eyes always ticking, and there is a gentle sort of smile on his face as usual, but what is in his hands might be a surprise to some who haven't seen him carry it around.]

[It's a
sword, and an old one at that. He's rubbing it down with a cloth, polishing it, though the slight dark tarnishes at it's end are impossible to remove. And he continues to speak at the bracelet placed next to him, hand never stopping its movements down the weapon.]

I'm not sure that many people know what justice really is, honestly! I mean, when you talk about someone being just, it means they know what is right. They can look at a situation and judge accordingly, making sure that their decisions go accordingly to their own moral compass.

But justice is really more than that. Justice is...hmmm, how to put this? It's just something that you have to follow through with. It's the feeling you get when you watch an innocent person get hurt. It's seeing a bad person really get what they deserve after all the harm and pain they've caused others. It's this force, really, that drives you to do the utmost good for people you can do.

[There's a dreamy sort of look on his face, like he's talking about something adored and prized over all- it's quite obvious that he has really strong feelings about this.]


But! Of course, not many people think about it that way. Some people think it can be only found in courtroom cases and trials, which is true, but it's so much more widespread! Justice is more than a jury and a judge, anybody can go through with it. It's found in everybody.

...At least, that's what I think.

[And he smiles over at the bracelet with a pondering look.]

What is really the definition of justice, do you think?
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[personal profile] samantha_grey 2012-10-23 03:32 pm (UTC)(link)
One man's justice is another's tyranny. So long as the paths we walk are unblocked, there's no reason to interfere in the lives of anyone else. And yet, Justice tends to do just that, Cheriour.

Not saying you're wrong, but a lot of awful things get done in its name.
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[personal profile] samantha_grey 2012-10-24 04:27 pm (UTC)(link)
No, I know what you're trying to say. I think it's a nice, pretty thought, but I don't think it's real. There's no such thing as an absolute of justice, but there are things that need to be taken care of and people that need protecting from others. If someone else's freedom and well being's being stepped on, that's got to be dealt with.

I'm just not so keen on the notion of 'justice.' It comes with a lot of extras usually that aren't related to protecting others.
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[personal profile] samantha_grey 2012-10-25 10:47 am (UTC)(link)
Usually laws that relate to one religion or another's personal moral code. Justice tends to get related to sex, what's allowed in it, what sorts of chemicals you're allowed to take, any of a number of things. Where it gets really dicey is when it insists on telling a person what they're allowed to do to themselves that doesn't impact anyone else.
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[personal profile] samantha_grey 2012-10-28 06:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Drugs are a pretty frequent choice. Some of them can be very harmful to the person using them, but many of them are also of no harm to others if they're used by someone. One religion will call unethical the use of one drug that's considered sacred by another, and governments will make it a matter of justice. Men and women will be harmed over it, and blood spilled over each walking their own paths.

It's the best example I ran into in my world. You wouldn't believe how many times I saw police more interested in whether or not small amounts of chemicals were on a person than they were if other people were in danger.
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[personal profile] samantha_grey 2012-10-28 08:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I am more comfortable with the concept of a 'right and wrong,' in the sense of infringing upon someone else's freedom and rights. Murder fits into that. But I don't think it's always as clean or knowable as all that. People are too set in their ways, too prone to imposing their wills on other in the name of right and wrong.

If it exists, it's not something knowable by people. Not perfectly.
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[personal profile] samantha_grey 2012-11-02 05:22 am (UTC)(link)
We're going to have to agree to disagree on that one. I'm on the list of 'bad for being born,' so I tend to think the almighty's a judgmental prick of a glorified Babylonian's wet dream. Maybe he's better in your world, but me and him haven't ever had good terms.

[Not that they'd ever met. She just sort of assumed that the demonic part of her ruined her chances. The things it did definitely didn't help.]
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[personal profile] samantha_grey 2012-11-08 05:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah... well, I didn't pick a side in their little territorial pissing match. My mother got knocked up by one side, and I ended up finding out my side got chosen for me. Only problem is 'my side' is as full of pricks and assholes as theirs is, so they can both take a long walk off a short cliff.

I've cut you some slack since you haven't tried to kill me on sight, Cheriour, and Castiel because he's genuinely not a self-righteous jackass. Your worlds are different, but at the end of the day it's hard for me to cut either side much slack. If there's a good out there or a justice, it exists apart from them, and the just ones simply happen to follow it.
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[personal profile] samantha_grey 2012-11-19 08:42 am (UTC)(link)
I'll keep my skeptical side on this one, but you already know why. You are at least more sensible about it than some, though.